# ID: I016341
# Name: Michael II le Fleming 1 2 3 4
# Sex: M
# ALIA: Michael de /Furness/
# Birth: ABT 1122 in Caernaevon Castle, Becermont, Cumberland, England 1
# Death: 1186 in Caernaevon Castle, Becermont, Cumberland, England 1 2 4
# Note:

    [robert lawrence.ged]

    Curt Hofemann sent me a post-em questioning the existence of a Caernarvon Castle outside of Wales in Cumberland (now part of Cumbria). Believe it or not there were two such castles: one in Wales & the other in Cumbria. Searching with google.com for "Caernarvon castle Cumbria" and then sifting through the list turned up several references to the castle in Cumbria. Obviously the castle in Cumbria is not very famous, as most references are to the castle in Wales. The following is excerpted from a web page title "Images of Cumbria - Grasmere Parish", http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/grasmere.html:

    RYDAL AND LOUGHRIGG, the former situated on the north side of the beautiful lake of its name, one mile and a quarter N.W. of Ambleside, and the latter lying between the rivers Brathay and Rothay, from which it rises boldly into a lofty and romantic fell, and extending from half a mile to two miles W. of the same town, form a township which, as Mr. Green says, seems to have been designed by nature for producing extraordinary assemblages of beauty - where "water, wood, rock, and mountain, are rarely seen in greater diversity." Loughrigg contains a tarn of twelve acres, and commands fine views of Windermere, Grasmere, Rydal, and Elterwater lakes. The hamlet of Skelwith Bridge, on the river Brathay, near a waterfall, is in this district, two miles and a half W.S.W. of Ambleside.

    Rydal is supposed by Sir Daniel Fleming, to be a contraction of Rothay-dale, from the river which flows from Langdale Pikes through the lakes of Grasmere and Rydal, to that of Windermere, along a picturesque vale, richly clothed with wood. The manor of Rydal and Loughrigg was granted about the year 1280, by Margaret de Brus, to Roger de Lancastre, who held Rydal, with part of Loughrigg and Ambleside, of the king in capite, by the service of the fourth part of a knight's fee. In the reign of Henry VI, Sir Thomas le Fleming, of Coniston, married one of his descendants, by whom he obtained this manor, which has since remained in his family, and is now held by Lady le Fleming. The ancestor of this illustrious family was Michael le Fleming, one of the adventurers who came to England with William the Conqueror. He received a grant of Arlecdon, Beckermet, and several other manors in Cumberland, in Furness, and in Lancashire. He died soon after the year 1154 and was buried in Furness abbey, to which he had been a liberal benefactor. From Richard le Fleming, his second son, who lived at Caernarvon castle, near Beckermet, are descended the Flemings of Rydal.

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    Note: According to the Eskdale "The Lake Districts' Hidden Gem" web site, there is not much more than a mound of dirt where the castle stood. It probably was a much less important (and smaller) castle than the one in Wales. Beckermet is a village near Whitehaven in Cumberland.





Father: Michael le Fleming b: ABT 1090 in Caernaevon Castle, Becermont, Cumberland, England
Mother: Alice De Stuteville b: ABT 1097 in Cottingham, East Riding, Yorkshire, England

Marriage 1 Christina De Lancaster b: ABT 1128 in Kendal Castle, Westmoreland, Cumbria, England

Children

   1. Has Children Jane Le Fleming b: ABT 1154 in Caernaevon Castle, Becermont, Cumberland, England
   2. Has Children Anselm le Fleming b: ABT 1156 in Caernaevon Castle, Becermont, Cumberland, England
   3. Has Children William le Fleming b: ABT 1160 in Caernaevon Castle, Becermont, Cumberland, England
   4. Has Children Catherine le Fleming b: ABT 1162 in Caernaevon Castle, Becermont, Cumberland, England


Sources:

   1. Title: Christina de Stainton.ged
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      Media: Other
      Text: Date of Import: 15 Feb 2005
   2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 34-26
   3. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 41-25
      Text: father of Anselm
   4. Title: robert lawrence.ged
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      Text: Date of Import: 2 Oct 2005