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Family Subtree Diagram : Descendants of Ralph de Bellers (1195)

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John de Clifton, of Buckenham Castle, Norfolk, son and heir of Constantine Clifton, by Catherine, daughter of Sir William de la Pole, which Constantine was son and heir apparent of Adam de Clifton (a), of Buckenham Castle, aforesaid, and other large estates (inherited through the families of Cailly and Tateshale), having previously succeeded his said grandfather, was found heir to Margaret de Caily in 1368, being then aged 15 years.  He had livery of his lands 27 Oct 1374.  He was summoned to Parliament from 1 Dec 1376 to 28 July 1388, by writs directed Johanni de Clyfton, whereby he is held to have become Lord Clifton.

He m. Elizabeth, daughter (whose issue became, in 1497, coheir) of Ralph Cromwell, Lord Cromwell, by Maud, daughter (whose issue became heir) of John Bernak, of Tattershall, co. Lincoln.  He d. in Rhodes, 10 Aug 1388. His widow m. Sir Edward Bensted, and d. 1393-94.  [Complete Peerage III:307-8]

(a) This Adam was son and heir of another Adam de Clifton (who d. 1366/7), son and heir of Roger de Clifton (writ for whose Inq.p.m. is dated 24 June 4 Edward III [1331]), by Margery, sister and heir of Thomas (Lord) de Cailly, which Margery and Thomas were children of Adam de Cailly, by Emma, his 2nd wife, daughter (whose issue became heir) of Robert de Tateshale, of Buckenham abovenamed. 1355 - ABT JAN 1393/94 Elizabeth de Cromwell He [John de Clifton] m. Elizabeth, daughter (whose issue became, in 1497, coheir) of Ralph Cromwell, Lord Cromwell, by Maud, daughter (whose issue became heir) of John Bernak, of Tattershall, co. Lincoln.  He d. in Rhodes, 10 Aug 1388.  His widow m. Sir Edward Bensted, and d. 1393-94. [Complete Peerage III:307-8] 1327 - 1398 Ralph VI 1st Baron de Cromwell 71 71 Ralph VI de Cromwell, 1st Lord (Baron) Cromwell, so created by writ of summons to Parliament 28 Dec 1375.  [Burke's Peerage]

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BARONY OF CROMWELL (I)

RALPH DE CROMWELL, being son and heir. of Ralph de Cromwell, of Cromwell and West Hallam (died before 28 October 1364), by Anice, daughter and coheir of Roger DE BELLERS, which last named Ralph was son and heir of Ralph de Cromwell (aged 7 in 1298/9), by Joan de la Mare, his wife, which Ralph was son and heir of another Ralph de Cromwell (died shortly before 2 March 1298/9), who was son and heir of the Ralph de Cromwell (died 1289). He acquired with his wife the estate of Tattershall, co. Lincoln, livery being granted to them 18 March 1366/7, it having been in the King's hands owing to the death of Sir John de Kirketon. He was summoned to Parliament from 28 December 1375 to 6 November 1397 by writs directed Radulfo de Crombwell' or Cromwell', whereby he is held to have become LORD CROMWELL. In 1386-87) he was a Banneret, and retained to serve the King in the event of invasion.

He married, before 20 June 1366, Maud, sister and heir of William, who died 18 December 1360, and daughter of John BERNAKE (c), of Tattershall, by Joan, daughter and eventual coheir of John MARMION [LORD MARMION]. He died 27 August 1398. His widow died 10 April 1419.  [Complete Peerage III:551-2 , XIV:224, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(c) He was son and heir of Sir William Bernake, by Alice, daughter and heir of Robert Driby and Joan, sister of Robert de Tateshale of Tattershall, and coheir to that family. 1327 - 1419 Maud Bernacke 92 92 He [Ralph de Cromwell] married, before 20 June 1366, Maud, sister and heir of William, who died 18 December 1360, and daughter of John BERNAKE (c), of Tattershall, by Joan, daughter and eventual coheir of John MARMION [LORD MARMION]. He died 27 August 1398. His widow died 10 April 1419.  [Complete Peerage III:551-2 , XIV:224, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(c) He was son and heir of Sir William Bernake, by Alice, daughter and heir of Robert Driby and Joan, sister of Robert de Tateshale of Tattershall, and coheir to that family. 1312 - 1364 Ralph V de Cromwell 52 52 1312 Anice de Bellers 1285 - 19 JAN 1325/26 Roger de Bellers 1305 Joan FitzWilliam There are two places for Joan in the FitzWilliam & Sothill/Soothill families, both have her daughter of William FitzWilliam and wife of Henry Sothill/Soothill.  The visitation pedigree plus the fact that William & Isabel Deincourt are known to have a daughter Joan indicate that particular position in the families; while chronological studies by John Ravilious (plus her apparent attachment to Tattershall) indicate a much later placement.  I have put her in both places, extending the Sothill/Soothill line down to Henry, b. c 1385, in order to indicate the alternative place.  Joan probably only occurs in one or the other postitions--not both, although who knows for sure.

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The following post to SGM, 9 Nov 2002, by John Ravilious gives a whole new pedigree for the Henry Sothill/Soothill who m. Joan FitzWilliam and indicates that Joan was born far later (3 or 4 generations) than earlier thought:

From: John Ravilious (therav3 AT aol.com)
Subject: Re: Soothill of Soothill, co. Yorks., Redbourn, co. Lincs. & C - Pt I
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-11-09 20:03:24 PST

It can be reasonably inferred, given the above cited records and the Visitation pedigrees, that Joan FitzWilliam was married to Henry de Soothill - the problem was 'merely', which Henry de Soothill?  The problem was not the proper placement of Joan in the FitzWilliam pedigree, but that of Henry de Soothill in the Soothill/Sothill pedigree.  I would submit the following is most likely the correct arrangement (numbered references are to the Soothill pedigree from the first post in this thread):

[Chart showing Joan FitzWilliam as daughter of William FitzWilliam & Maud Cromwell m. Henry de Soothill, d. aft 1410, son of Sir Henry , d. ca. 1375 & Denise, son of Sir Henry, d. 1363.6 & Joan, son of Sir Henry, d. ca. 1352.]

    This placement is some 4 generations later than the Visitation pedigree reflects.  It is certainly more palatable from a chronological point of view; unfortunately, a FitzWilliam descent (and a Plantagenet connection via Hamelin, Earl of Surrey) are lost to the descendants of Sir Gerard Soothill of Redbourn (1. 1. 2. 1. 3. above).

    Any comment or criticism of the above is welcome, as are certainly any other details as to any known issue (esp. a daughter Joan) of William FitzWilliam and Maud Cromwell outside the Visitation record.

    Good luck, and good hunting.

                                      John

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The following post to SGM, 30 Dec 2001, by Douglas Richardson, indicates the older theory about Joan, according to the visitation, which may be superseded by the above post by John Ravilious.

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry AT msn.com)
Subject: Re: Sothill Chronology, a rehash with Markenfield
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-12-30 10:46:23 PST

Various visitation pedigrees show Joan Fitzwilliam, wife of Henry Sothill (or Soothill), to be the daughter of Sir William Fitzwilliam.  Given the chronology involved, it would appear she is the daughter of Sir William Fitzwilliam, of Sprotborough, co. York, died c. 1342, by his wife, Isabel Deincourt. This couple definitely had a daughter named Joan, as indicated by Isabel (Deincourt) Fitzwilliam's will.  Below please find my accounts of Sir William Fitzwilliam and of Henry and Joan (Fitzwilliam) Sothill, which are taken from the forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, 3rd edition. My sources are fully cited.

I trust this information has been helpful.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com 1350 - 1398 William FitzWilliam 48 48 He was succeeded by his eldest son, Sir William; the 3rd son, Edmund, was ancestor of William FitzWilliam, created Earl of Southampton 1528.  Sir William, the eldest son, married Maude, daughter of Sir Ralph de Cromwell, and died 8 Apr 1398.  [Complete Peerage V:518-520 Note] BET 1366 AND 1380 - 1411 Maud de Cromwell Maud is supposedly daughter of Ralph & Maud Bernake, but with marriage not until 1366, this is impossible. 1466 - 1507 Frideswide Lovel 41 41 1433 - 9 JAN 1464/65 John 8th Baron Lovel John Lovel, 8th Lord (Baron) Lovel (of Titchmarsh) and 5th Lord (Baron) Holand; b. c 1433; Lancastrian in the Wars of the Roses; m. Joan, daughter of 1st Viscount Beaumont, and d. 9 Jan 1464/5.  [Burke's Peerage]

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BARONY OF HOLAND (V)

BARONY OF LOVEL (VIII)

John (LOVEL), LORD LOVEL and LORD HOLAND, son and heir, aged 22 and more at his father's death. He was summoned to Parliament, by writs directed Johanni Lovel, chr., from 9 October 1459 to 28 February 1462/3. In 1459 he was a trier of petitions. In December 1459 he was made master forester of Wychwood for his good services against Richard, Duke of York, and the Nevills. He and other Lancastrian lords made an effort to secure London for Henry VI in June 1460, but were defeated. Next year the victorious Edward IV took possession of Lovel's lands. He appears to have made his peace with the new King, and in April 1464 was appointed on a commission of oyer and terminer in Oxon and Berks.

He married Joan, sister [and in her issue], coheir of William, 2nd Viscount Beaumont, daughter of John (BEAUMONT), 1st VISCOUNT BEAUMONT, by Elizabeth, daughter and heir of Sir William. PHELIP, K.G., sometimes styled LORD BARDOLF. He died 9 January 1464/5. His widow married, 2ndly, shortly after 12 November 1465, Sir William STANLEY. She died 5 August 1466.  [Complete Peerage VIII:223, XIV:454, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1440 - 1466 Joan de Beaumont 26 26 Joan, daughter of 1st Viscount Beaumont.  [Burke's Peerage]

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He [John Lovel] married Joan, sister [and in her issue], coheir of William, 2nd Viscount Beaumont, daughter of John (BEAUMONT), 1st VISCOUNT BEAUMONT, by Elizabeth, daughter and heir of Sir William. PHELIP, K.G., sometimes styled LORD BARDOLF. He died 9 January 1464/5. His widow married, 2ndly, shortly after 12 November 1465, Sir William STANLEY. She died 5 August 1466.  [Complete Peerage VIII:223, XIV:454, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1409 - 1460 John 1st Viscount de Beaumont 51 51 John de Beaumont, 1st Viscount Beaumont, the first ever of the rank of peerage in England, so created 12 Feb 1439/40, as also previously 27 July 1436 Count of Boulogne (a policy pursued by Henry V and Henry VI of granting fiefs and titles to leading Enlgish nobles in English-occupied France to consolidate their hold on the area), KG (1441), KB (1426), PC (1434), Great Chamberlain 1450 and Constable 1445-50 of England, feudal Viscomte of Beaumont in Maine (conferred on him by Henry VI 18 Jan 1440/1)...killed fighting on the Lancastrian side at the Yorkist victory of Northampton.  [Burke's Peerage}

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VISCOUNTCY of BEAUMONT (I)

BARONY of BEAUMONT (VI)

JOHN (BEAUMONT), LORD BEAUMONT, son and heir, aged four years at the death of his father. He was of Folkingham Castle, co. Lincoln. He was summoned to Parliament as a Baron 25 February 1431/2 to 26 September 1439. K.B. 19 May 1426. P.C., 1434. Having greatly distinguished himself both in war and at court, he was, by letters patent dated at Canterbury, 27 July 1436, created COUNT OF BOULOGNE in France, and shortly afterwards, on 12 February 1439/40, was created VISCOUNT BEAUMONT, being the first person advanced to the dignity of Viscount in England. Within a year of this creation the King 18 January 1440/ 1, bestowed on him and the heirs male of his body "the feudal Viscountcy of Beaumont in France," which on the death of the Duke of Bedford, in 1435, had reverted to the Crown. K.G. 1441; CONSTABLE OF ENGLAND, 1445-50; GREAT CIIAMBERLAIN, 8 July 1450.

He married, between 24 July 1425 and 3 July 1436, Elizabeth, daughter and sole heir of Sir William PHELIP, K.G., recognised as LORD BARDOLF, by Joan, 2nd daughter and coheir of Thomas (BARDOLF), LORD BARDOLF. She died before 30 October 1441. He married 2ndly, after 1442, Katharine, widow of Sir Thomas STRANGWAYS, and before that of JOHN (DE MOWBRAY), DUKE OF NORFOLK) and daughter of Ralph (NEVILL), EARL OF WESTMORLAND, by his 2nd wife, Joan DE BEAUFORT, daughter of John of Gaunt, DUKE OF LANCASTER. He died 10 July 1460, being slain under the Lancastrian banner, at the battle of Northampton. His widow married, 4thly, shortly after 1464, Sir John WIDVILLE) who was beheaded (with his father, EARL RIVERS) at Kenilworth) 12 August 1469.  [Complete Peerage II:62, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 2: Beaumont

Volume 2, page 62:
JOHN (BEAUMONT), LORD BEAUMONT, [d.1460] s. and h., aged four years at the death of his father.

John's father died in June 1413 [Complete Peerage, vol.2, p.61]. The date of John's birth (as "domini de beaumont") is given as 16 August 1410 ("in crastino assumptionis beate virginis") in the Chronicle of John Somer [Camden 5th ser. vol.10, p.278 (1997)].

[From Douglas Richardson, November 2001] 1412 - 1440 Elizabeth Phelip 28 28 He [John Beaumont] married, between 24 July 1425 and 3 July 1436, Elizabeth, daughter and sole heir of Sir William PHELIP, K.G., recognised as LORD BARDOLF, by Joan, 2nd daughter and coheir of Thomas (BARDOLF), LORD BARDOLF. She died before 30 October 1441.  [Complete Peerage II:62, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1383 - 1441 William Phelip 58 58 BARONY OF BARDOLPH (VI, 1)

SIR WILLIAM PHELIP, of Dennington, co. Suffolk, Erpingham, co. Norfolk, &c., son and heir of Sir William Phelip, of Dennington, by Julian, daughter and in her issue heir of Sir Robert ERPINGHAM, of Erpingham, was born 1383.

He married, before 1407, Joan, 2nd and youngest of the two daughters and coheirs of Thomas (BARDOLF), LORD BARDOLF, and Amice. He served at Agincourt, 25 October 1415, and again in Normandy, and, during his absence there, was, in 1418 or early in 1419, elected K.G. In 1421-22 he was Captain of Harfleur, and subsequently Treasurer of the Household to Henry V. He was P.C. and Chamberlain to Henry VI, and on 13 November 1437 is thought by some to have been created a Baron, as after this date he is sometimes described as William Phelip, LORD BARDOLF. His name, however, does not appear on the list of Peers summoned to Parliament 26 September 1439. He died s.p.m., 6 June 1441, when any peerage, if created by patent, would have become extinct. He was buried, under a sumptuous monument, at Dennington. His widow who was born and baptised 11 November 1390, at Tattershall Castle, co. Lincoln, died 12 March 1446/7, and was buried with her husband (d).  [Complete Peerage I:420-21, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(d) The representation of any Barony in fee which might have been acquired (de nova) by her husband, but not that of the old Barony of Bardolf, vested on her death in the son and heir of her only daughter and heir, Elizabeth, wife of John Beaumont, 1st Viscount Beaumont, afterwards (1460), 2nd Viscount Beaumont, who, as early as 1448, and when but a boy, is styled, v.p., in the Charter Roll, 8 Nov 1448, dominus de Bardolf, and who dsp. 1507, being called "Viscount Beaumont and Lorde Bardolfe" on his tomb in Wivenhoe church, Essex, and elsewhere.  It was not, however, till the death, 6 Nov 1453, of Anne, Lady Cobham, the elder sister of his mother, that he represented the entirety of this Barony.  The representatives in 1910, are (1) the 2 daughters and coheirs of the 10th Lord Beaumont and (2) the Earl of Ablingdon, between whom any Barony of Bardolf, that may be held to have been created in 1299, is (subject to the Attainder) in abeyance. 1390 - 12 MAR 1446/47 Joan Bardolf He [William Phelip] married, before 1407, Joan, 2nd and youngest of the two daughters and coheirs of Thomas (BARDOLF), LORD BARDOLF, and Amice. . .  He died s.p.m., 6 June 1441, when any peerage, if created by patent, would have become extinct. He was buried, under a sumptuous monument, at Dennington. His widow who was born and baptised 11 November 1390, at Tattershall Castle, co. Lincoln, died 12 March 1446/7, and was buried with her husband (d).  [Complete Peerage I:420-21, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(d) The representation of any Barony in fee which might have been acquired (de nova) by her husband, but not that of the old Barony of Bardolf, vested on her death in the son and heir of her only daughter and heir, Elizabeth, wife of John Beaumont, 1st Viscount Beaumont, afterwards (1460), 2nd Viscount Beaumont, who, as early as 1448, and when but a boy, is styled, v.p., in the Charter Roll, 8 Nov 1448, dominus de Bardolf, and who dsp. 1507, being called "Viscount Beaumont and Lorde Bardolfe" on his tomb in Wivenhoe church, Essex, and elsewhere.  It was not, however, till the death, 6 Nov 1453, of Anne, Lady Cobham, the elder sister of his mother, that he represented the entirety of this Barony.  The representatives in 1910, are (1) the 2 daughters and coheirs of the 10th Lord Beaumont and (2) the Earl of Ablingdon, between whom any Barony of Bardolf, that may be held to have been created in 1299, is (subject to the attainder) in abeyance. 1369 - 19 FEB 1407/08 Thomas 5th Baron Bardolf BARONY OF BARDOLF (V)

THOMAS (BARDOLF), LORD BARDOLF, son and heir, born 22 December 1369, at Birling, Sussex. He was summoned to Parliament from 12 September 1390, to 25 August 1404, by writs directed Thome Bardoolf' de Wormegey.

He married, before 8 July 1382, Anice or Amice, daughter of Ralph (CROMELL), LORD CROMWELL of Tattershall, by Maud, daughter of John DE BERNAKE, heiress of Tattershall, co. Lincoln. In 1405 he joined the Earl of Northumberland in his rebellion, and with him fled to Scotland, and was declared by Parliament to be a traitor, 4 December 1406 when the peerage became forfeited. Returning, however, he was defeated at Bramham Moor, co. York, 19 February 1407/8, and died s.p.m., of his wounds, a few hours subsequently, aged 38, his remains being afterwards quartered, and his head placed on one of the gates of Lincoln. His widow died 1 July 1421.  [Complete Peerage I:420, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Thomas Bardolf de Wormegay, 5th Baron Bardolf, summoned to parliament from 12 September, 1390, to 22 August, 1404. This nobleman, joining Henry, Earl of Northumberland, Thomas, earl marshal and Nottingham, and Richard Scrope, archbishop of York in their rebellion, temp Henry IV (for which the earl marshal and archbishop were beheaded at York), he was forced, with the Earl of Northumberland, to fly to France; but those lords returning in about three years afterwards, and, again raising the standard of insurrection in Yorkshire, they were attacked by the sheriff and the power of the county at Bramham Moor, where, sustaining a total defeat, the earl fell in the field, and Lord Bardolf died soon afterwards of his wounds. His lordship had married Avicia, dau. of Ralph, Lord Cromwell, and left two daus., biz., Anne, m. 1st to Sir William Clifford, Knt., and 2ndly to Reginald, Lord Cobham; Joane, m. to Sir William Phelip, K.G. (son of Sir John Phelip, Knt. of Donynton, Suffolk), a valiant solder in the French wars of King Henry V, to which monarch he was treasurer of the household, and, at his decease, had the chief direction of his funeral. Sir William is said to have been raised to the peerage by letters patent, as Lord Bardolf, in the reign of Henry VI, but he was never summoned to parliament. By Joane Bardolf, he left an only dau. and heiress, Elizabeth, who m. John, Viscount Beaumont.

Thomas, the 5th and unfortunate Lord Bardolf dying thus and being afterwards attainted, his Barony and large possessions became forfeited. The estates were divided between Thomas Beaufort, Duke of Exeter, the king's brother, Sir George Dunbar, Knt., and the queen; but the latter proportion, upon the petition of Sir William Clifford and his wife, and Sir William Phelip and his wife, to the king, was granted in reversion, after the queen's decease, to those representatives of the attainted nobleman. Dugdale states "that Lord Bardolf's remains were quartered, and the quarters disposed of by being set upon the gates of London, York, Lenne, and Shrewsbury, while the head was placed upon one of the gates of Lincoln; his widow obtained permission, however, in a short time to remove and bury them." [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 22, Bardolf, Barons Bardolf] 1370 - 1421 Amice (Anice) de Cromwell 51 51 He [Thomas Bardolf] married, before 8 July 1382, Anice or Amice, daughter of Ralph (CROMELL), LORD CROMWELL of Tattershall, by Maud, daughter of John DE BERNAKE, heiress of Tattershall, co. Lincoln. In 1405 he joined the Earl of Northumberland in his rebellion, and with him fled to Scotland, and was declared by Parliament to be a traitor, 4 December 1406 when the peerage became forfeited. Returning, however, he was defeated at Bramham Moor, co. York, 19 February 1407/8, and died s.p.m., of his wounds, a few hours subsequently, aged 38, his remains being afterwards quartered, and his head placed on one of the gates of Lincoln. His widow died 1 July 1421.  [Complete Peerage I:420, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1405 - 1454 Margaret Clarell 49 49 1498 Elizabeth Breynton 1467 - 1527 John Breynton 60 60 1471 Sibyl Milborne 1435 - 1522 Simon Milborne 87 87 Simon & Jane had 13 daughters (Sibyl (wife of Richard Hackluyt and John Breynton, Knt), Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Monington), Alice (wife of Henry Mill and Thomas Baskerville, Esq), Blanche (wife of James Whitney, Knt. and William Herbert, Knt), Katherine (wife of Thomas Barton), Anne (wife of William Rudhale), Agnes (wife of Thomas Walwyn, Esq), Jane, Joyce (wife of Thomas Hyett), Margaret (wife of John Bishop), Juliane, Eleanor (wife of John Moore), and Jane (wife of Richard Cornwall, Knt).  [MCA} 1439 Jane Baskerville Following copied from website at [http://www.moonrakers.com/genealogy/baskerville/baskerville_family_histor y.htm]:

BASKERVILLE FAMILY HISTORY

Supplied by Brian Erwin

Edited by Peter Baskerville Rance.

Sir Richard, who became lord of Eardisley and High Sheriff of Hereford, was M.P., for the County of Herefordshire, in which office the family served in eleven Parliaments during the next 400 years. They also served the Office of High Sheriff for the County twenty-one times. Richard and was succeeded by his son Walter Baskerville (died 1319) who was called lord of Combe. His wife Sibella [or Sybil] daughter of Peter of Caux, and their son (died 1342), grandson (died 1373) and great, grand son (died 1394) all named Richard, were Knighted. The last son, Sir John of Eardisley (died 1403). Married Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John Brugge of Letton and Stanton. They had issue, Sir John (died 1455) who also was called Knight of Combe, when quite a young boy followed King Henry to the Battle of Agincourt. 1415 AD He married Elizabeth, daughter of John Touchet, Lord Audley. His brother Ralph Baskerville married Anne, daughter and heiress of Sir John Blacket of Icomb, whose DAUGHTER, JANE became the wife of SYMON MILBOURNE and mother to thirteen children! 1410 - Deceased Ralph Baskerville Following copied from website at [http://www.moonrakers.com/genealogy/baskerville/baskerville_family_histor y.htm]:

BASKERVILLE FAMILY HISTORY

Supplied by Brian Erwin

Edited by Peter Baskerville Rance.

Sir Richard, who became lord of Eardisley and High Sheriff of Hereford, was M.P., for the County of Herefordshire, in which office the family served in eleven Parliaments during the next 400 years. They also served the Office of High Sheriff for the County twenty-one times. Richard and was succeeded by his son Walter Baskerville (died 1319) who was called lord of Combe. His wife Sibella [or Sybil] daughter of Peter of Caux, and their son (died 1342), grandson (died 1373) and great, grand son (died 1394) all named Richard, were Knighted. The last son, Sir John of Eardisley (died 1403). Married Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John Brugge of Letton and Stanton. They had issue, Sir John (died 1455) who also was called Knight of Combe, when quite a young boy followed King Henry to the Battle of Agincourt. 1415 AD He married Elizabeth, daughter of John Touchet, Lord Audley. His brother RALPH BASKERVILLE married ANNE, DAUGHTER AND HEIRESS OF SIR JOHN BLACKET of Icomb, whose daughter, Jane became the wife of Symon Milbourne and mother to thirteen children! 1412 Anne Blackett 1381 John Blackett 1391 Margaret d' Eylesford 1351 - Deceased John d' Eylesford Something is peculiar about the children of John & Margaret.  Many of the estates ended up with distant relatives, putting into question whether they had children or not.  For example Tillington was passed to this John from another distant cousin John d. 18 Feb 1395/6, yet that John appeared to have a daughter Elizabeth, as well as a Kathleen.  Similarly estates were passed from this John to distant male heirs.  One person suggested that the estates in question may have been entailed to male heirs only, thus not being able to be passed through a daughter.

I have not seen a conclusion to the mystery. 1491 - 1541 Robert Whitney 50 50 1465 - 1497 James Whitney 32 32 1469 Blanche Milborne 1504 - 1550 Mary (Elizabeth) FitzWilliam 46 46 Mary, daughter of Sir William FitzWilliam.  [Burke's Peerage] 1455 - 1534 William FitzWilliam 79 79 Eldest son; servant of Cardinal Wolsey, Alderman; Sheriff of London; knight.  [Burke's Peerage]

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I originally had the daughter (my ancestor) Mary by his 2nd wife (Mildred Sackville), but according to the following information from Lem Allison, Mary was a daughter by his 1st wife.  Lem's e-mail contains extensive information on William FitzWilliam (But NOTE that Lem is wrong in placing William in Gainspark at birth--William purchased the manor of Gaynes Park in 1508 from William Lord Willoughby as one of the heirs of Lionel de Welles who held it previously--according to VCH Essex):

NOTE: Magna Carta Ancestry has Mary as daughter of William by his 2nd wife, as I originally had it.  Therefore I am changing Mary's mother back to William's 2nd wife Mildred Sackville.

Hello Jim,

William FitzWilliam  was born circa 1450 in Gainspark, Essex, England.

William Fitzwilliam married, first, Ann Hawes, the daughter of Sir. John Hawes, 1484 Gainpark, Milton, Sussex, England; married, second Mildred Sackville, the daughter of Sir. Richard Sackville and Isabel Dyggs, of Buckhurst, Sussex, England, before 1512. After the death of Mildred he then married Jane Ormond. [Sources: George Smith, Edited by Sir. Leslie Stephens & Sir. Sidney Lee. The Dictionary of National Biography, Vol. VII, p. 230.]    He had by his first wife issue: Sir William, his heir (father of Sir William FitzWilliam 1526-1599; Richard; Mary Elizabeth; and Ann Fitzwilliam.  By his second wife he had the following issue Christopher; Francis and Thomas Fitzwilliam. No issue by third wife. He died 9 August 1534; burial at Marholm. He left a will dated 9 June 1534.

[In his will,  he lists: His right and well beloved wife, Dame Jane Fitz-William, Sir William Fitz-William his son, His grandson William Fitz-William, John Fitz-William second son of his son William, Brian FitzWilliam third son of his son William, Richard Fitz-William his son, Christopher Fitz-William his son, Francis Fitz-William his son, Thomas Fitz-William his son, Elizabeth his daughter Anne his daughter Ellen his daughter, Mary his daughter, His cousin Richard Ogle, Richard Waddington his cousin.]

William resided and traded in Bread Street, London, afterwards in St. Thomas Apostle, having a country house at Gaynes Park, Chigwell, Essex.

He was admitted to the livery of the Merchant Taylors' Company of London in 1490, of which he was warden in 1494 and 1498, and master in 1499, obtaining a new charter for the company on 6 January 1502.  In 1505 he was an unsuccessful candidate for the shrievalty of London, but was appointed to the office of the king's nomination in 1506, and was elected alderman of Broad Street ward in the same year.  Elected sheriff of  London in 1510 he refused to serve, and was in consequence disfranchise and fined one thousand marks by the lord mayor.  The franchise was restored and the fine remitted by order of the Star-chamber 10 July 1511.  He became treasurer and high chamberlain to Cardinal Wolsey, who appointed him one of the king's council.  In 1515 he was nominated sheriff of Essex, was knighted in 1522, and was sheriff of Northampton in 1524. He entertained Wolsey during his disgrace, 1-5 April 1530, at Milton Manor, Northampton (the seat of the present Earl FtizWilliam), which he purchased in 1506 from Richard Wittelbury.

Fitzwilliam rebuilt the church of St. Andrew's Undershaft, London, and the chancel of Marholm, Northamptonshire.  By deed (26 May 1533) he settled twelve hundred marks on the Merchant Taylors' Company for certain religious uses since applied (under scheme of 1887) to divinity scholars at St. John's College Oxford.

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Lem Allison 1480 - 1534 Mildred (Maud) Sackville 54 54 1417 - Deceased John FitzWilliam Of these [the children of John FitzWilliam & Eleanor Greene] the younger John is said to have been of Green's Norton, and the ancestor of the Milton FitzWilliams.

Reverting to John FitzWilliam of Green's Norton, the alleged 6th son of Sir John of Emley, I have never found any references to him in any document, and neither he nor his family are mentioned in any of the numerous fifteenth-century wills of members of the Yorkshire branches of the family.  This, of course, does not prove his non-existence, but I doubt if he could have been the father of Sir William who bought Milton. John cannot have been born, at the latest, more than a few months after his father's death on 5 July 1417, and it may have been some years earlier (his eldest brother, the first John, was born 15 Aug 1397).  I do not know when Sir William I of Milton was born--his age is not given on his brass at Marham--but his son, Sir William II of Milton, was born in 1503 or 1504.  We have thus a period of 86 years to cover only two generations; it is not phyically impossible, but demands strict proof. [Complete Peerage V:518-520 Note]

NOTE: Since CP doesn't find any documents on him, I don't believe that he held Greene's Norton, as that property seemed to descend to Henry Greene of Drayton's brother, Thomas, and to his heirs.  And he didn't hold Gainspark (Gaynes Park Hall) as so many people state, because his son William didn't purchase Gaynes Park until April 1508.  So I am placing him at Milton. 1430 Helen (Ellen\Eleanor) Villiers 1377 - 1417 John FitzWilliam 39 39 His [William FitzWilliam's] son, Sir John, died 5 July 1417; he is said to have married Eleanor, daughter of Sir Henry Green, of Drayton, Northants, a younger son of the Green's Norton family, and to have had six sons, John, Nicholas, Ralph, Robert, William, and a second John.

Of these the younger John is said to have been of Green's Norton, and the ancestor of the Milton FitzWilliams.  [Complete Peerage V:518-520 Note] 1383 - 1422 Eleanor Greene 39 39 1462 - 1503 Anne Hawes 41 41 1381 - 1446 Reginald 3rd Baron Cobham 65 65 Sir Reynold or Reginald (de) Cobham, putative 3rd (Baron) Lord Cobham of Sterborough Castle, Kent.  [Burke's Peerage]

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BARONY OF COBHAM (III)

[After (1372) 46 Edw. III no writ of summons was issued to any members of the family. Presuming the writ of 1347 to have established an hereditary dignity, those that would have been entitled thereto are as under.]

SIR REYNOLD DE COBHAM, of Sterborough Castle, apparently, according to modern doctrine, LORD COBHAM, but who was never so styled, 2nd but 1st surviving son and heir by 2nd wife. He was born 1381, and was knighted in May 1426. He appears to have taken no part in the French wars, but to him, on 12 May 1436, was committed the custody of the Duke of Orleans (afterwards Louis XII), who had been taken prisoner at Agincourt more than 20 years before. In 1431 he and his 2nd wife founded the College of Lingfield. He married, 1stly, Eleanor, daughter of Sir Thomas COLEPEPER, of Bay Hall, Pembury, Kent. She died 1422, and was buried at Lingfield. Brass and M.I. He married, 2ndly, in or shortly before 1427, Anne, widow of Sir William CLIFFORD, daughter and coheir of Thomas (BARDOLF), LORD BARDOLF, by Anice or Amice, daughter of Ralph (CROMWELL), LORD CROMWELL. He died 1446, and was buried at Lingfield. M.I. His widow, who was born 24 June 1389, died s.p., 6 November 1453. M.I. at Lingfield.  [Complete Peerage III:354, XIV:196, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1436 - 16 FEB 1494/95 William Stanley 2nd son of Thomas Stanley; of Holt; knight; supporter of Henry Tudor at Bosworth Field 1485; DNB. Beheaded in the Perkin Warbeck conspiracy. Holt is in Denbighshire about ten miles due south of Chester. He was the richest man in England, which may have caused a rapacious King Henry VII to have schemed his destruction. 1497 Anne (Elizabeth) Whitney 1389 - 1453 Anne Bardolf 64 64 He [Reynold de Cobham] married, 2ndly, in or shortly before 1427, Anne, widow of Sir William CLIFFORD, daughter and coheir of Thomas (BARDOLF), LORD BARDOLF, by Anice or Amice, daughter of Ralph (CROMWELL), LORD CROMWELL. He died 1446, and was buried at Lingfield. M.I. His widow, who was born 24 June 1389, died s.p., 6 November 1453. M.I. at Lingfield. [Complete Peerage III:354, XIV:196, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1355 Edward Bensted 1385 - 1430 Henry Sothill 45 45 He [Henry de Soothill] was living in 9 Hen VI (1430/1), when he attorned William Burton of Gomersall to deliver seisin of the manor of Soothill [22].  [John Ravilious, SGM, 6 Nov 2002] 1480 Jane daughter of John Ormond 1400 - 1421 John FitzWilliam 21 21 1470 - 1497 Richard Hackluyt 27 27 1469 William Herbert 1372 - 1395 Constantine 2nd Baron de Clifton 23 23 BARONY OF CLIFTON (II) 1388 to 1395

CONSTANTINE (DE CLIFTON), Lord Clifton, son and heir, aged 16 years at his father's death; had livery of his lands in 1393.  He was summoned to Parliament from 13 Nov 1393 to 20 Nov 1394.  He m., after Feb 1389/90, Margaret, daughter of Sir John Howard, of Wigenhall, Norfolk, by his 1st wife Margaret, daughter of Sir John Plaiz.  He d. 1395.  His widow m., before 1397, Sir Gilbert Talbot, who d. Feb 1398/9.  She, who had licence to m. whom she would, 2 June 1399, d. 25 Mar 1433, and was buried at the Blackfriars, Norwich.  [Complete Peerage III:308] 1388 - 1454 John Radcliffe 66 66 1414 - 1442 Elizabeth Knyvet 28 28 1385 - 1441 John Knyvet 56 56 1395 - 1447 Elizabeth Clifton 52 52 His [John de Clifton's] only sister, Elizabeth, wife of Sir John Knyvett, was his heir, being ancestress of Sir Philip Knyvett, Bart., who alienated the Castle of Buckenham, about 1650, and whose issue male became extinct on the death of his son, about 1699.  [Complete Peerage III:308]

NOTE: I have Elizabeth, her daughter born at Buckenham.  This is an inaccurate short-cut (merely to show her inheritance of the property), in that Buckenham was not inherited from John de Clifton until after he died, 1 Dec 1447. 1379 - 1433 Margaret Howard 54 54 He [Constantine de Clifton] m., after Feb 1389/90, Margaret, daughter of Sir John Howard, of Wigenhall, Norfolk, by his 1st wife Margaret, daughter of Sir John Plaiz.  He d. 1395.  His widow m., before 1397, Sir Gilbert Talbot, who d. Feb 1398/9.  She, who had licence to m. whom she would, 2 June 1399, d. 25 Mar 1433, and was buried at the Blackfriars, Norwich.  [Complete Peerage III:308] 1394 - 1447 John "3rd Baron" de Clifton 53 53 BARONY OF CLIFTON (, 3) not recognized as 3rd Baron

SIR JOHN CLIFTON, only son and heir, was one year old at his father's death.  Neither he nor his sister and heir's descendants were ever summoned to Parliament, nor did they ever claim any barony.  His wardship and marriage were granted 13 Apr 1399 to Sir Simon Felbrigge.  He m., before 6 Id Jan 1431/2, when they had a Papal indult, Joan, widow of Sir Robert Echingham, daughter and coheir of Edmund Thorpe, of Ashwellthorpe.  He dsps. (b) 1447, before 1 Dec (when his widow was living), and was buried at Wymondham, Norfolk.  His only sister, Elizabeth, wife of Sir John Knyvett, was his heir, being ancestress of Sir Philip Knyvett, Bart., who alienated the Castle of Buckenham, about 1650, and whose issue male became extinct on the death of his son, about 1699.  [Complete Peerage III:308]

(b) Margaret, his only daughter, m. Sir Andrew Ogard, and dvp. and sp., being buried at Wymondham.  Her husband d. 1459, and was also buried there. 1394 - 1447 Joan Thorpe 53 53 He [John Clifton] m., before 6 Id Jan 1431/2, when they had a Papal indult, Joan, widow of Sir Robert Echingham, daughter and coheir of Edmund Thorpe, of Ashwellthorpe.  He dsps. 1447, before 1 Dec (when his widow was living), and was buried at Wymondham, Norfolk.  [Complete Peerage III:308] 1290 - 1368 Alice Wakebridge 78 78 1255 William de Bellers 1260 Amice 1225 - 1256 Roger de Bellers 31 31 1351 - 1418 Margaret de Bellers 67 67 1350 - 1390 Roger Swillington 40 40 1320 - 1380 Roger de Bellers 60 60 1325 Margaret de la Riviere Generated by GenoPro®. Click here for details.