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GIVN William III T aillefer Count Of
SURN Toulouse
TI TL The Plantagenet Ance stry, by William He nry Turton, 1968
ABBR The Plantagene t Ancestry, by Willia m Henry Turton, 1968
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PA GE Todd A Farmerie, 30 Jul 2000
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TITL Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, b y
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Frederick Lewis Weis, a dd itions by Walter Lee Shi ppard Jr., 1999
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I or iginally, based on Tu rton, had William b. 947, d. 1037 , and ha ving
ch ildren b y his 990 marri age to Emma, wh o wer e born in 1015. This s
eems
l ike a lot for a 68 yearold m a n.
It turn s o ut that the person born c 947 was another Raymond , proba bly
son of Raymond , who m. Adelaide (Blanc he ) d'An jo u not Ar sinde her
sister
(as some have it). Willi am III i s son of Ra ym ond & Adelaide .
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The f ollo wing is excer pted fr om a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000 , by Todd A
Farmerie:
F rom : Todd A. Fa rmeri e (farm erie@@interfol d.com)
Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou ( was Tiburge d'Ora n ge)
News groups: soc. genea logy.mediev a l
Date: 2000/07/30
William [ III of T oulouse] mar ried Arsin de , then Emm a of P ro vence.
Emma
was daught er of R oubaud (Rodbold) II, broth e r of Co unt Willia m II of
Prov ence (an d a lso Cou nt - Provenc e was , sev era l ti mes, subdivide
d
among
bro thers. A la ter s u ch division produced w hat wo uld become the
ind ependent Cou nty o f Forca lqui er, but I don't know if the re was a
forma
l part ition between Ro dbold II a n d William II, with Rodbol d receiving
the Forcalqu ier portion or if they held the und ivided Cou nty o f Pr
ovence
jointly). Arsin d e's p lace ment a s bein g fr om Anjou pro bab ly resul
t
s
from
confusion with A d e laide. Stasser prop oses th at she wa s instead daug
h
ter
of W illiam II o f Prove nce (and hence first cousi n of Emma) by h is
first
wife, Arsinde of Ca rcaso nne. This woul d make he r a distant relative,
bei ng daughter of A r naud of C. and Ar sinde, daughter o f E r mengaud o
f
Roue rgue, uncle of Raym on d Pons . By Arsinde, Wil liam III had Raym ond
and Henry , wh o both died y ou ng, whi le by Emma he had P ons, Bertr
and,
an
d several daug hters. FWIW, he ma kes O dile " of Nice" who i s being
discussed in the Orange t hread , a s anothe r da ughte r o f Willia m II
of
P rovence and Arsind e.
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