# ID: I66795
# Name: John COMYN of Ulceby 1 2
# Sex: M
# Reference Number: 53009
# Birth: ABT 1268 in Badenoch, Inverness, Scotland
# Death: BEF 1332 in Ulceby, Lincolnshire, England



Father: John COMYN I The Red . Lord of Badenoch b: ABT 1211 in Badenoch, Inverness, Scotland
Mother: Alice de ROS b: ABT 1242 in of Helmsley, Yorkshire, England

Marriage 1 MAUD b: ABT 1275 in England

Children

   1. Has Children Isabel COMYN b: ABT 1312 in Ulceby, Lincolnshire, England
   2. Has No Children Robert Comyn of Ulceby b: ABT 1290 in Ulceby, Lincolnshire, England


Sources:

   1. Title: Douglas Richardson - soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Repository:
            Name: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Note:
      Source Medium: Internet

      Page: 8/17/2005
      Text:
      In Robert Comyn's lawsuit dated 1335, he identified himself as the son
      of John Comyn, who was the son of John Comyn, [Sr.], by Alice de Roos.
      An abstract of the lawsuit is presented in Lincolnshire Notes &
      Queries, 9 (1907): 249-250. You'll also want to examine another
      lawsuit abstracted in Genealogist, n.s. 9 (1892): 13, which likewise
      deals with Alice de Roos' manor at Ulceby, Lincolnshire, which she had
      as her maritagium.

      For further evidence that John Comyn, [Sr.] and his 2nd wife, Alice de
      Roos, had a son named John, see Bain, Cal. of Docs. Rel. Scotland 2
      (1884): 168, 963, and Scots Peerage, 1 (1904): 507 (sub Comyn). I
      should mention that John Comyn, [Sr.] had an older son, John, by his
      first wife, Eve [see Easson, Charters of the Abbey of Coupar Angus 1
      (Scottish Hist. Soc. 3rd Ser. 40) (1947): 134-135; reference courtesy
      of Andrew MacEwen]. Alice de Roos was not the mother of this older
      son, as is commonly thought to be the case by genealogists. The older
      John is the ancestor of the Comyn family of Badenoch. This represents
      a major rearrangement in the Comyn family tree.

      John Comyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire [son of Alice de Roos] appears in
      one record in the helpful online A2A catalogue. This record shows that
      he took up residence at Ulceby:

      Nottinghamshire Archives: Foljambe of Osberton: Deeds and Estate
      Papers, DD/FJ/1/165/2, lease dated 7 April 1302 from John Comyn of
      Ulseby, Lincolnshire to the Abbot and Convent of Thorenton, for
      maintenance of the poor in their hospital, the common of pasture in
      Ulseby to use every other year for 20 years (abstract of document
      available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).

      As for Alice de Roos, widow of John Comyn, my research shows that she
      married (2nd) James de Byron, Knt., of Cadney, Lincolnshire, son of
      Richard de Byron, Knt. In 1277 James was going to Wales on the
      king's service. In 1282 he witnessed a deed of Henry de Lacy, Earl
      of Lincoln. Lady Alice de Roos, noblewoman, died testate on or shortly
      before 29 April 1286, and was buried in the church of the Friars Minor,
      Lincoln. In 1285-6 Sir James de Byron paid to his wife's executors
      £98 for the third part of her moveable goods, and also gave for the
      health of his soul and that of Alice his wife to the men of Husum a
      selion [or ridge] of land. In 1287 he had letters of protection, he
      going to the Holy Land. In 1296 Oliver de Sutton, Bishop of Lincoln,
      committed to the subdean and to Masters John le Fleming and William of
      Langworth to grant probate of Alice's will. Sir James Byron died
      about 1300.

      Alice de Roos' 2nd marriage and her burial in Lincolnshire in 1286 has
      similarly been overlooked by genealogists. That Alice is the
      ancestress of the cadet branch of the Comyn family of Ulceby,
      Lincolnshire is clearly proven in the records. You can find further
      details on all of these people in my book, Magna Carta Ancestry (2005).

      Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
   2. Author: Douglas Richardson
      Title: Magna Carta Ancestry :A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families - Royal Ancestry Series
      Publication: Name: Genealogical Publishing Co.- 2005;
      Repository:
            Name: Susan Johanson's library
      Page: 201