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Family Subtree Diagram : Descendants of Robert de Lisle (1243)

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ROBERT DE LISLE, son and heir, in 1264obtained a charter of free warren in his demesne lands of Rampton and Wilbraham, co. Cambridge, and Nedging, Suffolk. As Sir Robert de Insula he attested a Cambridgeshire charter about the same time. He was summoned for the campaign against Llewelyn in 1282.

He married, 1stly, before 1252, Mabel, widow of Hervey, baron of Stafford (died 1241), and daughter of Sir Robert DE MUSCEGROS, of Charlton, by Hawise, daughter and coheir of Sir William MALET, of Curry Malet. Robert de Lisle and Mabel quitclaimed to John de Muscegros 10 librates of land in Kemarton, co. Gloucester, which Mabel had in free marriage from her father, and for this and 200 marks John gave her 20 librates of land in Finborough, Suffolk. Robert married, 2ndly, Alice. He died in 1284. His widow was living in 1290.  [Complete Peerage VIII:70, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Note: I have put Mabel's prior marriage in, but I am not sure it happened, and I haven't changed any estimated birth dates for Mabel to facilitate it happening.  The CP entry for Hervey describes his wife Mabel as daughter of Richardde Mucegros (sic.), who I believe was father of Robert de Muscegros.  Since Hervey died in 1241, and Robert de Lisle may well have not been born in 1241, it is very unusual for a widow to marry as her 2nd husband, a man who was not bornby the time her 1st husband died!  So I think that the Mabel who married Hervey de Stafford was daughter of Richard and aunt of this Mabel who m. Robert de Lisle. 1356 - 1423 Maud 3Rd Baroness De Holand 67 67 Maud de Holand, Baroness Holand in her own right; b. c 1356; m. c 1372 5th Lord(Baron) Lovel (of Titchmarsh) (d. 10 Sep 1408) and d. 7 May 1423. [Burke's Peerage]

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BARONY OF HOLAND (III)

MAUD, according to modern doctrine suo jure, BARONESS HOLAND, daughter and heir of Robert DE HOLAND and Joan or Alice, his wife. She was heir to her grandfather, and aged 17 in 1373. She married John (LOVEL), LORD LOVEL of Titchmarsh. He died 10 September 1408, styling himself in his will Lord Lovel and Holand. She died 7 May 1423.  [Complete Peerage VI:532] 1334 - 1373 Robert V De Holand 39 39 Name Suffix:<NSFX> Of Thorpe Waterville, Sir
Robert de Holand; served in the Crecy and Siege of Calais campaign 1346-47; m. by 1355 Alice/Joan and dspm & vp by 1373.  [Burke's Peerage]

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1355-Given Manors of Nether Kellet, Wanborough, & Denford.  [Ancestral Roots]

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[ROBERT DE HOLAND, son and heir apparent (a). He was in the retinue of the Kingand Prince Edward in the campaign of 1346. He married, in or before 1355, Joan(or Alice), when his father in that year settled on them by fine the manor of Nether Kellet. He died v.p. and s.p.m.] [Complete Peerage VI:532, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(a) Of his younger brothers Thomas dvp. and sp.; Gilbert became a monk; and John was heir male.

Note: Robert's wife has been identified -- see notes under her. 1338 - 1401 Alice (Joan) De Lisle 63 63 He married, in or before 1355, Joan (or Alice), when his father in that year settled on them by fine the manor of Nether Kellet. He died v.p. and s.p.m.]  [Complete Peerage VI:532, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 14 Oct 2002, by Douglas Richardson, which identifies the wife of Robert de Holand:

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Re: Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister of Queen Philippe of Hainault
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-10-14 12:50:24 PST

As for Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand, he seems to have led a quiet life and made little impact on the records of the time.  This is in sharp contrast to his younger brother, Thomas de Holand, Earlof Kent, who was a famous warrior in the time period, and one of the founders of the Knights of the Garter.  Also, I find no record in which either Robert deHoland, his wife, Elizabeth, or their descendants were styled kinfolk by King Edward III or any successive king, saving the one reference I have already cited.  Consequently, proving that Robert de Holand's wife, Elizabeth, is identifical with Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister of Queen Philippe, might well be a difficult task.

As for Robert de Holand's eldest son, Robert, I find that heserved in the retinue of the King and Prince Edward in the campaign of 1346-47.  In 1347 the abbot of Furnes complained he violated the abbot's liberties in Lonsdale Hundred, co. Lancaster.  He married in or before 1355 (date of settlement) Alice de Lisle, daughter of John de Lisle (presumably 2nd Lord Lisle of Rougemont).  They had one daughter and heiress, Maud.  He was living 10 May 1367,and died sometime before 16 Mar. 1372/3.  His widow, Alice, married (2nd) before 1372/3 (date of settlement) (as his 2nd wife) Edmund de Hemegrave, Knt., of Hengrave, Little Wratting, Mutford, Westley, etc., Suffolk and Fordham, co. Cambridge, son and heir of Thomas de Hemegrave, Knt., by his 1st wife, Isabel.  Hewas born about 1321 (aged 28 in 1349).  They had no issue.  Sir Edmund de Hemegrave died testate 4 Feb. 1379.  His widow, Alice, married (3rd) Richard Wychingham, of Wychingham, Norfolk.  They had no issue.  She left a will dated 12 Aug. 1401, proved 19 Jan. 1401/2.

The following sources pertain to Robert de Holand, the younger, and his wife, Alice de Lisle:

Blomefield 4: 88.  Suckling, pg. 271.  J. Gage, Hist. & Antiq. of Hengrave in Suffolk (1822), pp. 81-94.  Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1364-1367 (1912), pg. 393.  VCH Lancaster 8 (1914): 2,139.  Complete Peerage 6 (1926): 532.  G. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 289: 1. List of Inq. ad Quod Damnum 2 (PRO, Lists and Indexes, No. 22) (repr. 1963): 580,593.

Alice de Lisle's identity, parentage, and successive marriages are not mentioned in Complete Peerage.  So, this is yet another addition for Complete Peerage for Chris Phillips' website.

For interest sake, the followingcolonial immigrants descend from Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand (died1373), and his wife, Elizabeth, possible bastard sister of Queen Philippe:

1. Essex Beville.
2. Charles Calvert.
3. Mary Launce (two descents).
4. Thomas Lunsford.
5. Herbert Pelham.
6. William Poole.
7. Maria Johanna Somerset.

Likewise, the following colonial immigrants descend from Margaret de Holand, wife of Marmaduke de Lumley, who is likely the daughter of Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand.

1. Charles Calvert.
2. John Fenwick.
3. William Poole.
4. Richard Saltonstall.
5. Maria Johanna Somerset.
6. Olive Welby.
7. Thomas Wingfield.

Information on the specific descents down to the individualcolonists will be found in the forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, soon tobe released.  The book is still available for a short time at a special prepublication price for newsgroup members.  Please contact me at my e-mail address below for details on ordering the book.

Best al ~1318 - 1377 Maud De Grey 59 59 He [John de Lisle] married, before 16 December 1332, when they had dispensationto remain in marriage they had contracted while ignorant that they were withinthe 4th degree, Maud daughter of Sir Henry DE GREY. She had licence in January1352/3 to enter the convents of Minoresses at Aldgate and Denny with two honest matrons. He died 14 October 1355, being killed in a raid made by Prince Edward from Bordeaux to Narbonne. His widow had livery of the manor of Campton on 12February 1355/6, after fealty taken, and on 6 April 1356 had assignment of dower at Harewood, &c. She was living 3 January 1376/7.  [Complete Peerage VIII:74-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: The above parent for Maud "Sir Henry de Grey" is not very specific. However Douglas Richardson, in his post to SGM, states that Maud was great granddaughter of Eleanor de Bohun (m. John le Botiller de Verdun), which identifies Henry of Wilton as Maud's father. 1321 - 1379 Edmund De Hengrave 58 58 Name Suffix:<NSFX> Sir Knight
1  NAME Edmund De /Hemegrave/
2  GIVN Edmund De
2  SURN Hemegrave
2  NSFX Sir Knight


His [Robert de Holand's] widow, Alice [de Lisle], married (2nd) before 1372/3 (date of settlement) (as his 2nd wife) Edmund de Hemegrave, Knt., of Hengrave, Little Wratting, Mutford, Westley, etc., Suffolk and Fordham, co. Cambridge, son and heir of Thomas de Hemegrave, Knt., by his 1st wife, Isabel.  He was born about 1321 (aged 28 in 1349).  Theyhad no issue.  Sir Edmund de Hemegrave died testate 4 Feb. 1379.  [Douglas Richardson, SGM] 1338 Richard De Wychingham Alice [de Lisle], married (3rd) Richard Wychingham, of Wychingham, Norfolk.  They had no issue.  She left a will dated 12 Aug. 1401, proved 19 Jan. 1401/2.  [Douglas Richardson, SGM]

Note: I am placing him as son of John, whose son William was of Witchingham, going by the approximate date of Richard's birth.  Not exactly sure of his placement within the family. 1268 - 1317 Alice De Montfort 49 49 He [Warin de Lisle] married Alice, daughter of Sir Piers DE MONTFORT, of Beaudesert, co. Warwick, by Maud, daughter and heir of Mathew de la Mare. He died shortly before 7 Dec 1296. His widow had dower assigned to her 18 February 1296/7.She married (grant of her marriage 10 May 1308), as 3rd wife, Robert (FITZWALTER), LORD FITZWALTER. In 1315 she was going on pilgrimage to Santiago, and in 1317 she went abroad with her husband. He died 18 January 1325/6.  [Complete Peerage VIII:71, XIV:443, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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He [Robert FitzWalter] married, 3rdly (grant of her marriage,10 May 1308), Alice, widow of Sir Warin DE ISLE, of Campton, Beds, Nedging, Suffolk, Rampton, co. Cambridge, &c. (who died shortly before 7 December 1296), daughter of Sir Piers de Montfort, of Beaudsert, co. Warwick. On 1 September 1312 he had licence to convey the manor of Little Danmow to himself and Alice, hiswife, and the heirs of their bodies, with remainder to his right heirs and, 6 October. 1315, licence to convey the manor of Wimbish in the same terms. He died 18 January 1325/6.  [Complete Peerage V:472-474, 14:326, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)] 1263 - 1296 Warin De Lisle 33 33 Name Suffix:<NSFX> Of Campton
WARIN DE LISLE, son and heir by 1st wife, was ordered on 1 January 1284/5 to pay 100 marks owing of his father's debt to the Crown by yearly instalments of 20 marks. On the death s.p.s., 10 November 1293, of Isabel de Forz, Countess of Aumale, sister and heir of Baldwin (de Reviers), Earl of Devon, he was found to be one of her heirs. In 1294 he was going to Gascony as yeoman of Thomas Latimer of Warden, but took care to make his claim to Isabel's inheritance.

He married Alice, daughter of Sir Piers DE MONTFORT, of Beaudesert, co. Warwick, by Maud, daughter and heir of Mathew de la Mare. He died shortly before 7 Dec 1296. His widow had dower assigned to her 18 February1296/7. She married (grant of her marriage 10 May 1308), as 3rd wife, Robert (FITZWALTER), LORD FITZWALTER. In 1315 she was going on pilgrimage to Santiago, and in 1317 she went abroad with her husband. He died 18 January 1325/6.  [Complete Peerage VIII:71, XIV:443, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1318 - 1355 John 2Nd Baron De Lisle 37 37 Name Suffix:<NSFX> Of Rougemont, Sir
BARONY OF LISLE of Rougemont (II)

JOHN(DE LISLE), LORD LISLE, son and heir, was aged 24 and more in 1342, when his father became a friar. In or about 1332 (on the occasion of his marriage) his father Robert gave him the manor of Campton, Beds, and in his illness of 1336 proposed giving him the manor of Harewood, Yorks, and other lands to the value of 400 marks per annum, that he might serve the King with six men-at-arms. In 1338he was serving in the marches of Scotland, and at the siege of Dunbar. The greater part of his life was spent in the French wars. In October 1339 he was withthe King at Vironfosse, when King Philip declined a conflict. In 1341 he was serving in Aquitaine and the following year in Brittany, being one of the commanders at the siege of Nantes. In 1343 and 1344 he made arrangements with his sisters and brother as to the estates. On 20 January 1344/5 he was again going over to Gascony, in the company of Henry of Lancaster, Earl of Derby. On 10 May 1346 an order was made to pay him Ð40 per annum as long as the war with France should last. He accompanied the King on his expedition from his landing at La Hogue in the Cotentin, on 12 July 1346, till the victory at Crécy (26 August) and the siege of Calais, which did not surrender till 4 August 1347. On the day of Crécy the King created him a banneret, and granted him Ð200 per annum for the better support of that estate, which he had taken at the King's command. He had a retinue of 6 knights, 11 esquires and 23 archers. In December 1346 and again in April 1347 he received a general pardon on account of his good services in France. He attended a tournament at Lichfield, at which the King was present, 9 April 1347, and at that time was one of the eleven who are described as "Knights of the King's chamber." In the same year he took part in a tournament at Eltham. He was nominated K.G. at the foundation of the Order circa 1348. In June 1348 the sheriffs of several counties were ordered to take possession of the lands and goods of Sir John de Lisle because he had gone beyond seas contrary to the proclamation, but he was pardoned in the following January. In August 1349 the King granted him the custody of the lands and heir of Gilbert Pecche, in partpayment of the Ð200 annuity, which was rearranged in Oct. 1350. In August 1350he took part in the King's defeat of the raiding Spanish fleet. Between 1347 and 1350, he was one of those who received capes and hoods of white long-cloth, wrought with men in blue, dancing, and buttoned in front with large pearls. Late in 1350 he applied for the jubilee indulgence, which was allowed in January. He was summoned to Parliament from 25 November 1350 to 15 March 1353/4, by writs directed Johanni de Insula de Rubeo Monte. In October 1351 he obtained licence to found a chantry at Harewood, and to alienate the advowson of Kirkby Overblow to the canons of Bolton Priory, who were to have charge of the new foundation. On 30 Oct 1351 he was appointed Sheriff of cos. Cambridge and Huntingdon, and Governor of the castle of Cambridge, for life. Shortly afterwards he was again to go beyond seas on the King's service. In Jan. 1352/3 he obtained a Papal indult to choose a confessor, and also to take with him, when he went into foreign parts, two or three priests to hear the confessions of himself and his household. On 8 July 1355 he received pardon for the death of John de Goys, knight, and about that time sailed for Gascony in company of Prince Edward.

He married, before 16 December 1332, when they had dispensation to remain in marriage they had contracted while ignorant that they were within the 4th degree, Maud daughter of Sir Henry DE GREY. She had licence in January 1352/3 to enter the convents of Minoresses at Aldgate and Denny with two honest matrons. He died 14 October 1355, being killed in a raid made by Prince Edward from Bordeaux to Narbonne (d). His widow had livery of the manor of Cam 1288 - 1344 Robert 1St Baron De Lisle 55 55 Name Suffix:<NSFX> Of Rougemont, Sir
BARONY OF LISLE of Rougemont (I)

ROBERT DE LISLE, son and heir, of Campton, Beds, was born there 20 January 1287/8, and baptized the following day in the church of All Saints. He was a minor at his father's death in 1296. He proved his age at Bedford, 21 March 1309/10, and the King having taken his homage on 26 March, he had livery of his father's lands. livery of various other manors, including Harewood, which had been the inheritance of Isabel de Forz, Countess of Aumale, was granted to him 18 July 1310, the King having taken homage for them. These were the manors claimed by Warin his father on the death of Isabel. He was summoned for military service against the Scots from August 1310 to 1342, to a Council 25 February 1341/2, and to Parliament from 19 December 1311 to 3 March 1339/40, by writs directed Roberto de Insula or Roberto del Isle, whereby he is held to have become LORD LISLE. In 1312 he had a grant of a yearly fair at Shefford. In 1313, with the rest of the court, he attended the King and Queen to the Whitsunday festivities in Paris; and in later years he had protection when going beyond seas on the King's service. He was summoned for the Bannockburn campaign in 1314, and was directed in August 1315 to continue in the North for the winter campaign, being in the King's service in 1316 and in 1317. In November 1321 he was ordered not to attend a meeting, of the "Good Peers" summoned by Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, and in February following was ordered to bring his men to aid the King. He fought at Boroughbridge, 16 March 1321/2, for the King. Shortly afterwards he had a protection in his manors of Harewood, &c. In 1323, he received a grant of the wardship and marriage of Edmund, son and heir of Robert Peverel. In 1324, in the return of knights to be summoned from each shire to Parliament, to confer, he was returnedas holding lands in Berks, co Cambridge, Herts, Suffolk and Yorks and in Beds also, but he did not reside there. In the same year he was summoned for servicein Gascony on an expedition which did not start, and also to a Council of magnates to advise as to Gascony. In May 1327 he and Margaret his wife obtained Papal indults for portable altars. In 1328 he went on pilgrimage to Santiago. In 1332 and later he was on the commission of the peace, &c., in co. Cambridge. On 22 December 1336 the King, pitying his enfeebled state, directed that he shouldnot in future be compelled against his will to come to the King in his wars orto his parliaments and councils, nor appointed minister or officer; but he wasseveral times nominated on commissions in co. Cambridge down to 15 March 1340/1, when he was one of the collectors of the ninth. Nine days after, however, heappears to have been relieved altogether, although he received, as mentioned above, a summons to a Council in February 1341/2.

He apparently married, before 3 May 1318, Margaret, daughter of Walter DE BEAUCHAMP, of Alcester, co. Warwick, Steward of the King's household (died 1303). She died in the summer of 1339, when Robert was about to cross the seas on the King's service. After her death he entered the Franciscan Order, to which he had been a benefactor. On 23 March 1341/2 his lands were taken into the King's hand, he being professed in a religious order. He appears to have been ordained priest. He died 4 January 1343/4, and was buried in the choir of the Franciscan church in London, in the chapel of All Saints.  [Complete Peerage VIII:71-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: The current ruins of Harewood Castle, which is near the town of Harewood (north of Leeds, Yorks), was built about 1365.  The originial Harewood Castle, also called Rougemont, was near the town of Weeton (also just north of Leeds, Yorks). 1295 - 1339 Margaret De Beauchamp 44 44 He [Robert de Lisle] apparently married, before 3 May 1318, Margaret, daughter of Walter DE BEAUCHAMP, of Alcester, co. Warwick, Steward of the King's household (died 1303). She died in the summer of 1339, when Robert was about to cross the seas on the King's service. After her death he entered the Franciscan Order, to which he had been a benefactor. On 23 March 1341/2 his lands were taken into the King's hand, he being professed in a religious order. He appears to havebeen ordained priest. He died 4 January 1343/4, and was buried in the choir ofthe Franciscan church in London, in the chapel of All Saints.  [Complete Peerage VIII:71-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1245 - 1284 Mabel De Muscegros 39 39 He [Robert de Lisle] married, 1stly, before 1252, Mabel, widow of Hervey, baronof Stafford (died 1241), and daughter of Sir Robert DE MUSCEGROS, of Charlton,by Hawise, daughter and coheir of Sir William MALET, of Curry Malet. Robert deLisle and Mabel quitclaimed to John de Muscegros 10 librates of land in Kemarton, co. Gloucester, which Mabel had in free marriage from her father, and for this and 200 marks John gave her 20 librates of land in Finborough, Suffolk. Robert married, 2ndly, Alice. He died in 1284. His widow was living in 1290.  [Complete Peerage VII:70, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] 1250 - 1290 Alice (Nmn- Robert) Lisle 40 40 1372 - 1414 John 6Th Baron Lovel 42 42 Name Suffix:<NSFX> Sir
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