General Notes

[Richard Wydeville.FTW]

on the history of the Earldom of Huntingdon:

After Earl Simon's [Matilda's 1st husband] death, his Wido w married David I of Scotland, who consequently became Ear l of Huntingdon too, keeping the Earldom even after he succ eeded his brother as King of Scots.  He sided with the Empr ess Maud against Stephen I but came to terms with the latte r and made the Earldom over to his son Henry.  Henry swor e fealty to Stephen but subsequently fought against him und er the Scottish banner, which may account for Simon de St L iz's son, another Simon, being recognized as Earl of Huntin gdon before Henry's death in 1152. Thereafter the Earldom w as more or less bounced back and forth between the de St Li z family and the Kings of Scotland, first being held 1157-6 5 by Malcolm the Maiden and (1165-74) by his brother Willia m The Lion, King of Scots, then by a Simon de St Liz (grand son of the first Simon and son of the second) from 1174 t o 1184.

When the third Simon de St Liz died in 1184 he left no surv iving issue and David, younger brother of the Kings of Scot s just mentioned, assumed the Earldom from 1185 (on the han ding over of it to him by William the Lion) till it was tak en away from him in 1215 or 1216 by King John. [Burke's Pee rage]

Note: I certainly have descendants of the third Simon de S t Liz.  Perhaps they are illegitimate, or, maybe the Earldo m was taken from the St Liz family by the King of Scots, ev en if there were legitimate offspring.

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EARLDOM OF NORTHAMPTON (V, 4)

EARLDOM OF HUNTINGDON (VIII)

SIMON DE ST. LIZ III, EARL OF NORTHAMPTON, son and heir o f Simon (DE ST. LIZ), EARL OF HUNTINGDON, by Elizabeth DE B EAUMONT, was born about 1138, and at his father's death wa s a minor in ward to Henry II, remaining so for about 5 yea rs. In I 174 he was recognised as EARL OF HUNTINGDON. He ma rried Alice, daughter and heir of Gilbert (DE GANT), EARL o f LINCOLN by Rohese, sister of Roger, EARL OF HERTFORD, an d daughter of Richard FITZGILBERT of Clare. He died s.p.s. , June 1184 (l), and was buried in St. Andrew's Priory, t o which he was a benefactor. At his death the Earldom of No rthampton became extinct. His widow was buried at Bridlingt on.  [Complete Peerage VI:645-6, XIV:395, (transcribed by D ave Utzinger)]

(l) His son, Simon IV, mentioned in St. Andrew's Cartulary , dvp.  At Michaelmas 1184, the Sheriff rendered account fo r the rest of the Earl's lands for a small part of the year.

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The following additional information is given by Curt Hofem ann in a post-em:

Earl of Huntingdon [Ref: CP VI:643]
minor at father's death, and became ward of step-father, Ea rl David, until the latter became King of Scotland, when h e was given to his great-uncle, Stephen, Count of Aumale [R ef: CP VI:643]

before 1141: reognized as Earl of Northampton [Ref: CP VI:6 43]
Feb 2 1140/1: fought for Stephen at Lincoln [Ref: CP VI:643]
before 1146: was holding the Honour of Huntingdon [Ref: C P VI:643]

Simon de St. Liz II... succeeded his father... to the Earld om of Northampton only. The Earldom of Huntingdon was by sp ecial grace of King Henry I. conveyed to David of Scotland , who on ascending the throne in 1124, transferred it to hi s only son, Henry, but on Henry's death in 1152, it reverte d to Simon. He married Isabel de Beaumont and died about 11 54, leaving a son and heir, Simon de St. Liz III. Again th e earldoms were divided. Simon III. became the Earl of Nort hampton, while the Earldom of Huntingdon was given by Kin g Henry II. to Malcolm IV., King of Scotland, the eldest so n of Prince Henry, who predeceased his father, and therefor e the grandson of King David I. The controversy over the ea rldom continued, and the King of England, angered by the co ntinual strife and dissension concerning it, ordered the ca stle demolished. [Ref: McBride2]

Simon de St. Liz, who succeeded to the Earldom of Northampt on, but was excluded from that of Huntingdon. He was subseq uently, however, restored. [Ref: McBride]

So ... primarliy Earl of Northampton, but later, in 1152, a lso Huntingdon... Curt

Regards,
Curt

Note: Maybe he was primarily Earl of Northampton, but CP, u nder Earl of Northampton (for each of the Simon de St. Li z Earls) refers to the Earldom of Huntingdon, where they gi ve a full account.  Maybe the Huntingdon Earldom was consid ered more important or something?