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ID: I75926
Name: Jordan De Lenveise
Given Name: Jordan De
Surname: Lenveise
NSFX: Of Ros & Wardon, Sir 1 2
Name: Jorda De Lenvenlise
Given Name: Jorda De
Surname: Lenvenlise
Name: Jordan L' Enveise
Given Name: Jordan L'
Surname: Enveise
NSFX: Of Ros & Wardon
Title: Of Ros & Wardon, Sir
Sex: M
Birth: Abt 1136 in Ros, Helmesley, Yorkshire, England
Death: Aft 1166 in Old Warden, Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England 2
Change Date: 1 Sep 2003 at 09:28
Note:

The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 22 May 2003, by John Ravilious:
From: Therav3@@aol.com (Therav3@@aol.com)
Subject: Magister Roger de Arundel and the Birkins of Laxton, co. Notts.
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-05-22 06:39:21 PST
Thursday, 22 May, 2003

Hello All,
In connection with this particular project, Rosie has extracted information from DD which furthers this search a bit further. This identifies the father of Joan, wife of John de Birkin (d. 1227) as Jordan L'enveise or Lenveise, who held fees of the honours of Old Wardon, co. Beds. and Ros in Helmsley, co. Yorks. [1]. Further, another daughter of Jordan L'enveise was Dionesia (aka Denise), wife of Hubert de Anesty: this provides the connection to Nicholas de Anesty, another kinsman of Roger de Arundel identified in the fine of 19 September 1222 [2]. K.S.B. Keats-Rohan conjectured further re: Jordan L'Enveise, "His wife was perhaps a sister of Master Roger Arundel", without further elaboration.

The following provides the current known descents (to 5 generations) from Jordan L'enveise, including Everingham of Laxton and Munchensi of Swanscombe.
As always, any additional documentation, comment or criticism is welcome. Cheers, John *

1 Jordan L'enveise
Held fees of the honours of Old Wardon, Bedfordshire, and Ros, Helmsley, Yorkshire in 1166. His wife was perhaps a sister of Master Roger Arundel. His heirs were his daughters Dionesia, wife of Hubert de Anesty and Joan, wife of John Birkin.'[1]
Children: Denise
.............. Joan (-<1221)

1.2 Joan L'enveise
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 19 Jun 1221[2]
coheiress of her father (DD 1013)[1]
noted as 'related to one Roger (de) Arundel' (EYC)[4]
Spouse: John de Birkin, of Laxton, Notts. and Birkin, co. York
Death: 1227[5],[6]
Father: Adam de Birkin (-1185)
Mother: Matilda de Cauz (-<1224)
Children:.. Isabel (-<1252)
................ Thomas (-<1230)

The following is a post to SGM, 14 Jun 2003, by Rosie Bevan:

From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Magister Roger de Arundel and the Birkins of Laxton, co. Notts.
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-06-14 05:08:51 PST

Dear John [Ravilious]

Thanks for presenting this additional information. EYC X pp.170/172 (Trussebut fee), XI pp196-202 (Percy fee) and XII pp.144-146 (Tison fee) treats the descendants of William Arundel, who in 1166 was a tenant of William Percy in Yorkshire and held a fee consisting of land in Foston on the Wolds, Nafferton, and Auburn in the wapentake of Dickering, as well as land in Scorborough, wap. Harthill and Sneaton, wap. Whitby Strand. William, probably son of John de Arundel who witnessed charters of Alan I de Percy and William de Percy II, was father of Mag. Roger de Arundel and his three sister and coheirs.

The following pedigree sums up the information given in these three volumes. The details on the Munchensy family come from CP IX 421-424.

1. William de Arundel fl 1175
....2. William de Arundel d.s.p.
....2. Mag. Roger de Arundel d.s.p.c.1210
....2. Cecily de Arundel
....+ Jordan Lenveise
........3.Joan de Lenveise
........+ John de Birkin d.1230 - he married secondly Agnes de Flammaville, (widow of Wm Percy of Kildale d.1203)
............4.Thomas de Birkin d.s.p.
............4. Isabel Birkin d.c.1252
............+ Robert de Everingham d.1246. Had issue
........3.Denise de Lenveise
........+(1)William de Glanville d.s.p.
........+(2) Hubert de Anesty d.1210 (He married secondly Maud de Cameys)
............4.Nicholas de Anesty b.c.1193
................5.Denise de Anesty d.1304
................+ (1)Walter Langton d.1234
................+ (2)Warin de Munchensy d.1255
....................6.William de Munchensy d 1287
....................+ Amice
........................ 7.Denise de Munchensy d.s.p.1313
................+ (3)Robert Butyller
....2.Maud de Arundel
....+ NN
........3.Alice
........3.Eufemia
........+Robert Constable of Flamborough d.bef 1208
............4.William the Constable of Flamborough
............+ Juliana had issue
....2.Agnes de Arundel
....+Robert de Hothum
........3.Thomas de Hothum
............4.Robert de Hothum
Cheers, Rosie

Marriage 1 Cecily De Arundel b: Abt 1140 in Arundel, Sussex, England
Married:
Change Date: 31 Dec 2003

Children
Denise De Lenveise b: Abt 1156 in Old Warden, Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England
Joan De Lenveise b: Abt 1165 in Old Warden, Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England

Sources:
Abbrev: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
Date: 8 Dec 2000
Page: Rosie Bevan, 14 Jun 2003
Quality: 3
Abbrev: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
Date: 8 Dec 2000
Page: John Ravilious, 22 May 2003
Quality: 3