General Notes

Stephen de Turnham of Great Berwick, Salop, Seneschal of Anjou.

Note: Despite many references to Stephen de Turnham, I have no written sources as to his parents.  But I find his ancestry in the newsgroup, SGM.

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Stephen de Turnham, of Artington, Surrey, the King's Marshal, by Edeline, daughter and coheir of Randolf de Broc, the King's Usher and Marshal, son of Oyne Porcel.  [Complete Peerage V:400 note (b)]

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He [Roger de Leyburn] married, in or before 1219, Eleanor, youngest daughter and coheir of his guardian, Stephen DE THURNHAM, by Edeline, daughter and coheir of Ranulf DE BROC (n).  [Complete Peerage VII:630, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(n) The husbands of the other 4 daughters were Thomas de Bavelingham, Adam de Bending, [Alianore m. ] Ralph son of Bernard de Tong, and [Beatrice m.] Ralph de Faye (she [Beatrice] m. 2ndly Hugh de Neville, see vol IX, p. 480, sub Neville).  [Complete Peerage VII:630 note (n), XIV:433]

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Stephen, according to CP, appeared to have two daughters named Eleanor/Alianore who m. Roger de Leybourne & Ralph FitzBernard, with dates indicating that they were two different sisters.  However, the following post was the first in a series of three (see daughter Clemence & her daughter  Alianore for more info) posts by Rosie Bevan to SGM, which unraveled the mystery.  Note that the heirs of Stephen named below turn out to be Mabel (his daughter who m. Thomas Bavelingham), Alice (his daughter who m. Adam Bendenges), Beatrice (his daughter who m. Ralph Fay), Roger de Leyburn (his grandson by his daughter Eleanor), and Alianore (his granddaughter (by his daughter Clemence) who m. Ralph FitzBernard).  Eleanore & Clemence were both dead, which is why they were not named.

From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-20 17:38:34 PST

Dear Chris and Hap

It was Ralph fitz Bernard who was married to Eleanor. Robert de Leyburne had evidently married another daughter of Stephen de Turnham, and she was dead by 1220. Whether or not she was also named Eleanor is unclear.

The evidence for this comes from a curia regis suit in the Trinity term of 1220, in which Edelina de Broc sued Richard Malherbe for 4L 18s. rent, and William de Bathonia for 25 acres of meadow and 12 1/2 of wood with appurtenances in Artingdon, Surrey. They in turn called to warrant the heirs of Stephen de Turnham who were Thomas de Bavelingham and Mabel his wife, Adam de Bendenges and Alice his wife, Ralph de Fay and Beatrice his wife, Roger de Leyburn, Ralph fitz Bernard and Alianore his wife.

"Et ipsi Ricardus et Willelmus vacaverunt inde ad warrantum heredes Stephani de Turnham quondam viri ipsius Edeline, scilicet Thomam de Bavelingeham et Mabiliam uxorem ejus Adam de Bendeng' et Aliciam uxorem ejus Radulfum de Fay et Beariciam uxorem ejus Rogerum de Leyburn' Radulfum filium Bernardi et Alienoram uxorem ejus..."
[CRR v.IX, p.85]

VCH Surrey v.3 p.4, in a section dealing with this case, states that Eleanor was wife of Roger de Leyburne and uses as a source Maitland, Bracton's Notebook, 1410 ; Excerpta e Rot. Fin. (rec. Com.), ii, 25. As the Roger in the curia regis roll is without a wife, the obvious conclusion to draw is that he was the representative of the unnamed daughter i.e her son and heir. If she was indeed named Eleanor, it would seem there were two in the family.

The curious thing here is that Clemence, daughter of Stephen de Turnham is not mentioned, even though she was alive in 1220 and married to Wandril de Curceles, attorney for Robert de Turneham and Joan Fossard, and had two later husbands [EYC v.2 no.995]. Artindon had descended via Edeline de Broc so the obvious inference is that Clemence was not a daughter of Edeline.

Cheers

Rosie

Note: The above statement about Clemence is cleared up in later postings by Rosie, which are contained in the next two generations (Clemence & Alianore).