General Notes

The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 14 Aug 2002, by Rosie Bevan:

From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Eleanor de Vitre
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-08-14 19:21:07 PST

Dear Adrian and Chris

I have a copy of EYC vii handy [Early Yorkshire Charters, edited by Clay].

Clay has William Paynel of Hambye as son and heir and successor of Fulk Paynel d. by  1183 and Lesceline, da. of Hasculf de Subligny, afterwards referred to as Dame du Grippon. William survived his father by a year or so, and he and Eleanor de Vitre had a son who died 1188-89. This is partially in accordance with K-R's interpretation under Paganel, Fulco II.on p.1056. However she has no entry for this particular William probably because his appearance in records is after her cut-off date of 1166.

This is what Clay says about William Paynel [EYC vii, p.21]
"WILLIAM PAYNEL, eldest son of Fulk Paynel. The charter which he issued to the abbey of Hambye shows that he had succeeded his father in Drax, Bingham and Garthorpe and in Hambye; and the charters he issued to Henry de Fontenay and Malton priory show his interest in Amotherby, par. Appleton-le-Street.  The Pipe Roll evidence evidence given below shows that he inherited his father's interest in Barton-le-Street, and in Broughton, co. Lincoln. He married Eleanor de Vitre. In Nov 1177 Andrew de Vitre gave to William son of Fulk Paynel, with his sister in free marriage, that moiety of his land in Normandy that was jointly divided by Fulk Paynel and himself, which he had chosen in Andrew's manors of Ryes, Trungy, and Ducy [all in Calvados], with a yearly rent of 20 li. from his manor of Cooling, Suffolk; among the witnesses being William Paynel, archdeacon [of Avranches], Fulk Paynel, and Fulk Paynel the younger [evidently William's father and two brothers].  William Paynel and Eleanor his wife gave their moiety of the church of Ryes to the abbey of Longues in the Bessin [Their gift was confirmed by Henry II, 1185-89 - Delisle and Berger, Recueil des Actes de Henri II, ii, no. 757].  Eleanor married secondly, Gilbert de Tillieres who died in the Holy Land in 1190, leaving issue; thirdly William of Salisbury who died in 1196, leaving an only daughter; and fourthly Gilbert Malmains; she died 1231-33 and was buried in the abbey of Mondaye near Bayeux [Rot. Scacc. Norm. ii, p. xlivn where there is a long note on Eleanor and her connections. See also F.M.Powicke, Loss of Normandy, p.516.]"

Clay goes on to explain that William left a 3 year old son who was in the king's custody but his custody and revenue of the lands appear to have been granted to William Vavasour. The boy evidently died in 1188 when the lands passed to William's younger brother Fulk.

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The Fulk Paynel, father of William, was 2nd son of William Paynel, of Hambye & Drax, d. bef. 1148, by his wife Miss d'Avranches.  His elder brother Hugh inherited many of his French properties, while Fulk inherited Hambye.