General Notes

Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (118:19), identifies her as husband of ROBERT,but does not give her parents.Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners" (258:37), calls her "prob. dau. of Eliramand sister of Raoul II, Count of Dijon."Moriarty, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 10 says: "Ermengard is usually calleda daughter of Richard the Judiciar, duke of Burgundy, but Chaume showsthat there is no evidence for this and that she is probably a sister of
Raoul II Count of Dijon."

Matman posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on10 Apr 1997:Subject: Re: Hugh the Black"Gerald Blanchard wrote:"Pere Anselm shows Hugh the Black, Duke of Normandy [sic - Burgundy]d.952, as the son of Richard the Justicier d.921. Ermengarde, is shownas a daughter of Richard and that she married Gilbert, Count of Chalon,Autun & de Beaune. Brian Tompsett's page shows Gilbert's wife as"daughter of Burgundy" whose father was Hugh the Black. Where doesErmengarde actually fit in to this?Jerry"[the reply follows] : "daughter of Burgundy! I guess something got leftout there, perhaps deliberately, as there seem to be a number of viewson Ermengarde's parentage.Here are a few i've collated:Dunbabin (France in the Making 843-1180), p65, says Gilbert (othersources use Giselbert etc) was the son in law of Hugo, but doesn't namethe daughter he married. Their daughter Lietaud married Otto/Odo (d.965)brother of Hugh Capet.Mckitterick (the Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians, 1983) inone of the genealogical charts has Ermengarde dau of Richard leJusticiar, married to Gilbert.Europaisches Stammtafeln, III, 189 mentions no daughters of Richard leJ, or Hugh the Black. It has Gilbert's father, Manasses as a nephew of R leJ (which is surely wrong, as they were contempories) and creditsGiselbert with a daughter Adelaide, who married 3 times:1) Robert of Meaux and Troyes, son of Heribert II of Vermandois2). Lambert of Chalon, d.9793.) Geoffrey I of Anjou, d.987ES II, 11 says however, that Lietaud, wife of Odo/Otto, above, was thedaughter of Gilbert and Ermengarde.I suspect that the reason for this confusion, is because differenttheories exist among the French historians who did the initial research. Ithink the oldest view (dating from the 17th century! by Duchesne,l'origine de la maison de Vergy, etc) was that Gilbert had married a dau.of Richard. But this century some have made him marry a dau of Hugo(P.Lauer, le regne de Raoul et Loius IV, 1900, I think is the title). Thereare some more up to date studies on Burgundy by Constance Bouchard, butI havn't looked at them yet. There's also a book on the duchy of Burgundyby a French abbot, Maurice Chaume, which goes into huge detail on this.
I expect there are other theories on this descent as well."