Hugh de Say
Hugh was born in 1136 in Richard's Castle, Hereford, Eng.  He died at the age of 55 in 1191.

 Lucy de Clifford
Lucy was born in 1141 in Clifford Castle, Hereford, Eng.  Lucy is no longer alive.

 Hugh de Say
Hugh was born in 1161 in Richard's Castle, Hereford, Eng.  He died at the age of 36 in 1197.