Descents from Antiquity

Gramps ID S287437
Author The Augustan Society

Narrative

Chris Bennett (cbennett@@nospam.com) writes: The Augustan DFA charts show lines from the 17th Egyptian dynasty to the medieval English kings. There are no "proven" descents going over that period. There are two major problem with the DFA charts: (1) they don't distinguish between proven descents and hypothetical ones, giving the uninitiated the impression that this is all proven material, and (2) there is no bibliography so you can't follow up on it [one was intended but the Augustans never got around to publishing it.] The hypotheses used are not always the best ones -- in many cases they are very old and IMO certainly wrong -- but they are not fantasies, the ones I have identified (mostly in the earlier sections) are always the results of someone's serious scholarship. Stewart Baldwin (sbald@@auburn.campus.mci.net) arites: There are a number of Descents from Antiquity charts floating around, and the answer to your question depends on which line you are interested in and what you want to know about it. If you want a well documented generation-by-generation descent from antiquity, then the
answer is that none of the charts purporting to give such a descent are valid. Depending on which claim for descent from antiquity you are talking about, the assessment would generally range from plausible (but definitely unproven) to completely absurd.

Repositories

Number Title Type Call number
1 [R0193] Book

References

  1. Chart X
    1. Taillefer, Isabella de Angoulême [I30860]
  2. chart X
    1. de Montgomerie, Pontia [I29224]
  3. chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer [I29227]
    2. _FA1, Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer [E38939]
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence [I28689]
    2. de Courtenay, Alice [I28961]
    3. Marriage, Family of Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence and de Courtenay, Alice [E58353]
  5. chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Guillaume III Taillefer [I29225]
  6. chart X
    1. de Montgomerie, Pontia [I29224]
    2. Birth, de Montgomerie, Pontia [E38932]
  7. Chart X
    1. Death, Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence [E37365]
    2. Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence [I28689]
  8. chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Vulgrin II Taillefer [I29223]
    2. Marriage, Family of Ct de Angoulême, Vulgrin II Taillefer and de Montgomerie, Pontia [E58656]
    3. de Montgomerie, Pontia [I29224]
  9. chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer [I29227]
    2. Marriage, Family of Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer and Vagena, Condohe [E58660]
    3. Vagena, Condohe [I29228]
  10. chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Guillaume IV Taillefer [I29221]
  11. chart X
    1. _FA1, Earl of Arundel, Roger "Poitevin" de [E38954]
    2. Earl of Arundel, Roger "Poitevin" de [I29233]
  12. Chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence [I28689]
  13. chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer [I29227]
    2. Death, Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer [E38938]
  14. Chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence [I28689]
    2. Birth, Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence [E37362]
  15. chart X
    1. Cts de la Marche, Adelmode [I29234]
    2. Marriage, Family of Earl of Arundel, Roger "Poitevin" de and Cts de la Marche, Adelmode [E58659]
    3. Earl of Arundel, Roger "Poitevin" de [I29233]
  16. Chart X
    1. _FA1, Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence [E37367]
    2. Ct de Angoulême, Aymer Taillefer de Valence [I28689]
  17. chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer [I29227]
  18. chart X
    1. Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer [I29227]
    2. Birth, Ct de Angoulême, Foulques Taillefer [E38937]
  19. Chart X
    1. de Turrenne, Marguerite [I29222]
    2. Marriage, Family of Ct de Angoulême, Guillaume IV Taillefer and de Turrenne, Marguerite [E58388]
    3. Ct de Angoulême, Guillaume IV Taillefer [I29221]