Baron Welles, John de Welles

Birth Name Baron Welles, John de Welles 1a
Gramps ID I34029
Gender male

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth [E45417] 1334    
1b
_FA1 [E45418]   3rd Lord.  
2a 1c
_FA2 [E45419]   Parents both died when he was a minor.  
1d
_FA3 [E45420] 1344/5-03-17 (Julian) His wardship granted to his eventual mother-in-law Margery de Badlesmere.  
1e
_FA4 [E45421]   She married him off to her daughter that same year.  
1f

Families

    Family of Baron Welles, John de Welles and de Roos, Maud [F13343]
Married Wife de Roos, Maud [I34028] ( * + 1388-12-09 )
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage [E59466] BET. 1344 - 1345    
3a 2b 1
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Baron Welles, John de Welles of Gainsby [I33532]1352-04-201421-08-26

Narrative

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Faris in "Plantagenet Ancestry", p. 277 says that John de Welles, 3rd Lord
Welles, married Maud, probable daughter of William de Ros, 2nd Lord Ros of
Helmesley; one of John and Maud's children was John de Welles, 5th Lord
Welles, b. 1352. Faris also states he is a descendant of Charlemagne.

In the article on "Welles" in "The Complete Peerage" xii(2), 441 it ponts out that
the parents of John de Welles (who was born in 1334) died by Feb 1344/5. "John's wardship was granted, 17 Mar. 1344/5, to his presumed mother-in-law, Margery, widow of William (de Ros), 2nd Lord Ros (of Helmsley)." The post-nuptial settlement of his marriage to Maud was also in that year, 1344/5 while he was a minor. It does seem likely that Margery wed her ward to her
daughter.

Pedigree

    1. Baron Welles, John de Welles
      1. de Roos, Maud [I34028]
        1. Baron Welles, John de Welles of Gainsby [I33532]

Source References

  1. large-G675.FTW [S261374]
      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

  2. David Faris: Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists [S241672]
      • Page: 1st ed, p 46 "Butler"
      • Page: 1st ed, p 46 "Butler"
      • Source text:

        no date

  3. Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori" [S76671]
      • Source text:

        No date