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The following is co pied from soc.g enealogy.medie va l, newsgr oup:
From: " Robert S Baxter" (rsbaxter@@b ellsouth.net )
Subject : de Tilly in Lloyd' s ORIG INS OF S OME ANGLO-NORMAN F A MILIES
and
in K-R' s DD
Ne wsgroups: soc.ge n ea logy.medieva l
Date: 2003-01- 22 16:08:41 PST
Both Lloy d and K-R give the de Tillys as ori ginated in Till y-
sur-Seules,
Lloy d wit h a [?].
Lloyd i nd icated that Geoffr ey de Mande ville ga ve the mano r of W
onford,
Devon, to William son of John, in marriag e to his d tr, an d that Henr y
de
Tilly hhel d i t for life. His heirs were i n Normandy. W ill iam was th
e
fa ther of He nry.
In DD, p 735, William isthe son of an Otto not a John.  O t to de Tilly
had a
brother Roge r.  Ott o mar ried Mabe l, the d tr of William fit z Raven,
and
ha d a
dtr Dionis ia who mar ried He nry fitz Ada m de Neufma r che. Wil liam fit
z
O tto de
Tilly wa s the father of a Ralph, Roge r, Otto an d Thoma s.
Is there a resolution of the conf lict?
Regards,
Bob
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No te: I am not at all sure that th e John & Otto spoken of a bov e ar e
the
same pe rsons. The William son o f Jo h n, mentio ned by Lloyd, "g ave
l and
in Castrum T il lei to Bayeus cat hed ral be fore 1153", and is ther efo
re
born much earlier ( bef 1 132, possi b ly well be fo re) than I have Will
iam
so n of Otto .  In fact O tto and Wi l liam son of Joh n m ight have been
b ro
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